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That was my first thought too

I intentionally shut everything off before is put it in drive.
I can recreat the issue, minus the narrow bridge and veering truck of course, by attempting to accelerate as if I were in another such dire situation. It has the same delay.
The service department says the delay is programmed in to the cars computers and that the “parameters” are created by Honda at the factory.

I don’t know if any of that is accurate, but I do know what I experienced was frightening and the delay is down right dangerous.

Do you own a passport ?
I am considering test driving others passports this weekend to time a dm compare the delay...I’ll get my husband to video it and post it if anyone’s interested.

 

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So if I didn’t mention that I was passing a truck that was in the right hand lane I should have. I was just passing the truck door, I wasn’t even in the truck drivers blind spot. Had he looked to his left, instead of looking down at his phone, he would have seen my car. It is by no means a small vehicle.

Applying the brakes would have been a sure way to get my front passnger side clipped... there is NO Margin for error on this bridge. It is notorious for people driving over the side rail into the lake.

And I did hit the horn, but admittedly I did this after I attempted to gun it out of the way.

He swearved back to the right and hit HIS brakes ...I could not get out of his way fast enough. I dont know how he didn’t jack knife his truck.

 

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Really sorry to hear about that Donna, but glad that you are okay. If your dealer cant reproduce the throttle response/delay I don't know how you would go about claiming this through lemon laws. Have you tried to replicate the problem yourself? Did none of the safety tech/drivers aids kick in to give you a bit of warning?

There is no safety feature that prevents someone sideswipping you in any vehicle that I’m aware of.
Even if there were such a feature, what would it entail? Braking would have certainly ended in being hit and likely pushed over the guardrail into the lake.
They did recreate. They said it’s a delay set by Honda at the factory.

My understanding after making a few calls today is that the “parameters” are programmed as part of some fuel economy regulation.

 

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I personally think they are screwing these new cars up with too much technology I don't want.

I don't want my car to turn off at a red light. I don't want my car to take over and steer for me. I don't want a car that senses traffic and sets cruise control.

I want a solid reliable responsive car that is comfortable with a great stereo.

If they don’t offer the ability to disable a “safety” feature, then they need to own the consequences of the them when/if they malfunction or fail to live up to the level of safety that advertised.

Honda allows you to disable the “safety” features. The acceleration delay isn’t a safty thing, I’m pretty sure it’s a fuel regulation thing that just so happens to cause a safety issue.

 

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Another issue is the lane keeping assist, I don’t use it, but before I could disable it I found myself driving from the dealership in the fog.
Evidently sensors interpret the reflection of the water vapor as white lines and the LKAS goes off repeatedly even if you’re perfectly centered in the lane..VERY annoying!

 

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Glad you are ok.
Its about the on going issues with this non Honda outsourced 9-speed transmission that is to blame.
There are many reviews about it and including the 2019 year. They only fixed it with starting
off in 2nd. The other issues are still there. It took those few seconds to decide to drop one or two gears.
Called gear hunting. The Honda made 6-speed doesn't have this issue. That is why......
The 9-speed is quicker 0-60, but slower in the Quarter mile, and at passing cars (Like you did)
compared to the well proven 6-speed. Also makes you wonder why Honda came out with its new
10-speed, which is much better on the posted reviews.
For your own piece of mind. The lower 3 trim levels of the Honda Pilot have the proven and
better transmission. Maybe you can ask for a trade in at the Honda dealer. Those Pilots are
a 100% Honda. Really no reason to leave Honda for one Transmission's bad history, even back
to the 2014 jeep issues.

Thank you for the info. I really thought I did my homework with the passport.
Last summer I started looking at the CRVs last I hated the CVT transmission/turbo 4 L engines. The Pilot didn’t have the CVT, but was too big.

I was looking at Lexus’ when I got the email about the Passport back in September. It was just a tease, the aerial view of the Passport making hairpin turns and puddle level views of it going through the mud. I had a hunch Honda was going’s to redeem itself with this SUV, but had to wait 2 months for the reveal.

November 27 -LA car show, I live streamed the reveal at work on my iPad.

In retrospect I wasn’t so turned off by the CVT transmissions I thought ANYTHING else would be better

I wonder if they’ll make changes to the ‘all Honda’ version in the 2019 or 2020 passports?

 

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The service department said once Honda releases a code, they’ll be able to “reprogram” the transmission.
What are the chances that’s true?

 

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The ‘18 Camrys (like the one I traded) had some transmission issues early in production that were fixed with a software flash related to the transmission so that sort of thing is certainly possible, though I’m not familiar with Honda’s history with this sort of thing. You’d think a software flash would also enable an ‘18 Camry to have Carplay like the ‘19s do but alas here I am in a Passport.

So maybe there’s SOME hope.
How long did it take to fix the issue with the Camry?
We have a “17 Toyota Tacoma that had the transmission flashed twice... it took a year for the first flash.

 

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Glad you are ok. Thank you for posting this important safety issue.
Its about the on going issues with this non Honda outsourced 9-speed transmission that is to blame.
There are many reviews about it and including the 2019 year. They only fixed it with starting
off in 2nd. The other issues are still there. It took those few seconds to decide to drop one or two gears.
Called gear hunting. The Honda made 6-speed doesn't have this issue. That is why......
The 9-speed is quicker 0-60, but slower in the Quarter mile, and at passing cars (Like you did)
compared to the well proven 6-speed. Also makes you wonder why Honda came out with its new
10-speed, which is much better on the posted reviews.
For your own piece of mind. The lower 3 trim levels of the Honda Pilot have the proven and
better transmission. Maybe you can ask for a trade in at the Honda dealer. Those Pilots are
a 100% Honda, and so are the upper 2 trims of the Honda Odyssey. Really no reason to leave Honda for one Transmission's bad history, even back to the 2014 jeep issues.

Decided to trade in the Passport.. looking at the Toyota 4 runner.
Any thoughts on this?

 

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Try driving in MN with snow covered roads 5 months of the year and then complain about your LKAS not seeing the road stripes. lol

Can’t imagine!

 

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how much are you losing on the tradein?

Trying not to lose anything... They seem to think the can fix the slipping transmission- if they can I’ll keep it.
If not, then hopefully I’ll just have to pay the TTL on the replacement. It’s still about 2K

 

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4Runner transmission logic is pretty bad. It takes forever for it to shift anywhere and feels like it goes from first to overdrive at a really low speed. Then refuses to get out of overdrive once it's there.

Aren’t the 4Runner, sequoia and Prius the last 3 cars made for the world market, freeing them of all the constraints imposed on US market cars that lead to the problems like power delay/acceleration hesitation in the first place? Also, they don’t have that horrible stop/start “technology” that you have to read turn of EVERY time you start up the car.

 

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^this op has deleted the posts, then put back and at this time deleted again

I removed it because my post was being manipulated and my words twisted. At one point my post, verbatim, appeared beneath someone else’s picture on a Facebook post by this forum.

As you know, nothing is truly erased for the internet..I’ve come back twice and deleted it. It wasn’t until I edited the post and replaced it with the ellipsis that it appears to be gone.

For those who are interested, I’m still in the loaner car. I’m scheduled to meet with the Honda rep later this week to ‘discuss’ the issue. If it isn’t fixable, as the service department has said, and I don’t get a refund or EQUAL value vehicle-not a Honda-I will WITHOUT hesitation or further censorship post the entire course of events on all social media outlets.

 

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You’re right. It’s not a a court, but it IS a legal issue, now. When it’s all said and done I’ll post the service papers like you asked....You said you’d eat crow on your other post???? Hope you’re hungry!

 

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You’re not paying attention... There are TWO seperate problems-the problem didn’t change.

The first issue was the extended acceleration delay, the second is the slipping transmission. I’ve been given SEVERAL reasons/excuses why both are happening by different service guys and a Honda service rep.

No one from Honda can agree on what’s causing either problem... Frankly, if anyone is changing their story it’s the Honda service department.